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Looking to move near a tribe

My family and I are beginning the process of choosing where to move next. We're currently in Oswego, NY and my wife is an CPA. Our boys are 5 and 2. We can move pretty much anywhere in N. America as her job skills will translate into any market. We're thinking right now that we'd look to move in the next year or two.

We're looking at cost of living, taxes, weather, local resources - all the usual stuff - and are also going to include the availability of a local unschooling tribe in our decision.

So, please tell us about your tribe. Where are you, what's cool about your area, how big is the local unschooling tribe, anything else you think would be good for us to know.

We'd like to find an area with a healthy and active unschooling community so your help is very much appreciated.

I've read the threads here about WhiteHawk near us, tell me about your tribe - go ahead, brag a bit....

Tags: community, relocation, tribe

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Permalink Reply by laura b on October 19, 2008 at 8:56am: east tennessee (specifically the tri-cities area of johnson city, bristol and kingsport and all the great little places in between) is the best for all the reasons you've mentioned. weather is moderate, we get cold winters but not like up north, we get hot summers but not like down south. i would say it's the most perfect climate anywhere...enough changes each seasons to actually notice and enjoy the seasons. it's the perfect climate to grow food if you're interested in that. there are farmer's markets all over the area as well as several u-pick type places. we're not too far from asheville which is a really cool and funky area. johnson city just got an earthfare! but there are also a couple of small and locally owned natural food stores as well. the downtown area is starting to come back alive after years and years of a slow death. there are festivals and events every month, even in the winter.

as far as an active unschooling community. well, it doesn't get much better than this. we have a homeschooling group that is made up mostly of unschoolers. we get together at least once a week. check out the east tennesse group here and then check out each member's blogs and you'll see. here is the link to our homeschooling group blog: http://sofhers.blogspot.com. there is a link there for our yahoo group as well, so check that out too.

i hope this is some of what you're looking for. oh and i forgot to mention this one very important thing: it is drop dead gorgeous here! the mountains, the trees, the rivers and streams. all the green in the summer. all the color in the fall. and sometimes some amazing snow in the winter (at least once or twice). and don't even get me started on spring...oh my gosh, beautiful!!!; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Jon Gold on October 19, 2008 at 12:37pm: Corvallis, OR is the unschooling center of the universe. We host the Life is Good unschooling conference, there is a large unschooling population here and in Portland, we are a BLUE state with some of the most progressive politics in the country, 8 month growing season, farmers markets galore, mountain, parks, rivers, the Oregon Country Fair every July (started by Ken Kesey and kinda like Burning Man but without the searing desert heat), art fairs, huge artist population, proximity to the Zenmomma herself (hostess of the Life is Good Conference) who is almost as colorful as - though not as famous as - The Ren Allen.

We have no sales tax, which might or might not make an accountant's life a little easier. The weather is incredibly moderate throughout the year. Folks will warn you about the winter rain, but we never go more than 2 days without seeing the sun and average winter temps are in the 40s. Snow is rare, summer sun is abundant averaging 75 to 85 degrees. Housing prices are moderate. As former Long Islanders, we could not be happier with our move here 5 years ago. Corvallis is on Money Magazine's Best Places To Live List. Oh yeah, Corvallis is also home to the world famous Sunnyside Up cafe which is operated by yours truly.

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Permalink Reply by Carla Tucker on October 19, 2008 at 4:21pm: Hi Jon

What are the realities of being an unschooler in Oregon as far as the state laws go? We are spoiled living here in Arizona as they have a very liberal homeschooling law.

Not so much what the rules are as how you meet them as unschoolers.
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Permalink Reply by Ren on October 19, 2008 at 6:18pm: I am a huge fan of Eastern TN or Western NC. Asheville is a very cool and funky town with lots of everything, yet not huge. It's about an hour from here. We have a very active unschooling tribe here, to the point of looking at building an intentional community. I post about our activities frequently at my blog:
http://radicalunschooling.blogspot.com

I'm in Jonesborough which is the oldest town in TN. It's very small, so not a lot of job opportunities but we're close to Johnson City. Jonesborough is the home of the National Storytelling Festival. It's very small and quaint. One of my recent blogposts has several photos of downtown ("last of the warmth" or some title like that).

We love the mountains and the rolling farmland. Our goal is to lead a more self-sufficient lifestyle and we feel this is the best area in the country for doing just that. As a bonus, I got a whole slew of very cool unschoolers to share my life with!:)

We are hosting the ARGH gathering here twice per year, so you could always come meet the locals and hang out with us in the spring or fall: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AutodidacticRadicalGatheringofHomesch...

There is also an ARGH group and an Eastern TN group at this site. Oh, and this is one of the most inexpensive places in the entire country to live. Home prices are great (please contact me if you want an unschooling Dad to email you some listings...my dh is a realtor) the car registration is cheap, there is NO income tax, property tax is very low , so all we have is the sales tax. You can avoid a lot of the sales tax by buying used.

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Permalink Reply by Ren on October 19, 2008 at 6:23pm: Be careful though, there are some vampires here.;)
If you go to my profile right here at RUN, you can see some of the latest pics of my town. It IS drop-dead gorgeous here. I plan to never move again.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Marcy on October 20, 2008 at 3:41am: How are the mosquitoes in the east tenn region? Where I'm at they're crazy! And they seem to love me. This summer I quit using the clothesline I was loving the second I got so eat up in the time it took to get small load off the line that I was crying I was in so much pain.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Ren on October 20, 2008 at 10:00am: It depends on the year, as to how bad the mosquitoes are. I have very few problems with bugs of any kid here though. 'Course I've lived in FL and AK, where the bugs (especially mosquitoes in AK) can be really awful.
I feel like we can just BE outside almost all year without getting eaten up. Depends on where you live in Eastern TN though...if you're surrounded by woods anywhere, you're going to have more bugs.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Jon Gold on October 20, 2008 at 10:44am: Hi Carla,

Oregon is fairly liberal as far as unschooling laws go. You do have to register and they do testing at a couple of different levels (I not sure which years the want it for), but the tests are administered by the parents and you don't have to report the results to anyone, so it is kind of a moot point.

We decided to go underground when we moved here 5 years ago and did not bother registering (we are libertarians at heart). We figure it would be easier to deny knowledge of the law and apologize later on. Oops, there went my plausible deniability....

Tell Kevin I said hi,

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Permalink Reply by Jon Gold on October 20, 2008 at 10:49am: Yes, Jonesborough is lovely and Asheville is an awesome town, however Jonesborough is, as Ren admits, overrun with vampires. I suggest renting The Lost Boys to get an idea of how bad it is. And vampires are not even the worst part of it--crappy 80s music, god awful fashions, Reagan as president...; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by greenlee on October 20, 2008 at 2:39pm: Mike - what leads you away from NY? I'm in MI right now and looking to move as well. I've heard some good things about the Ithaca area. Have you heard anything about Ithaca?; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Ren on October 20, 2008 at 7:54pm: 80's music Jon??? HA! We go back Waaayyyy further than that. This is BLUEGRASS territory baby! This is where it all started man. Bluegrass/folk HEAVEN. And it's AppalAHcha not AppalAYcha if you're from 'round these parts.;)

If you like storytelling and bluegrass, you'll love it here. Heck, we had Papa Roach, Staind and Seether here last week. We're not exactly a hot bed of current music though. Folks travel down to Asheville or Knoxville for that.

But the Vampires are problematic. No doubt.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Steve Russell on October 20, 2008 at 10:30pm: Mike, sadly while Boise is a great place to live (mild climate generally but great access to all things outdoors, all seasons), we don't have a tribe per se. Love to have you move here and help engender one with us!! 8^)

Seems like the Corvallis group is the strongest one I'm aware of in the PacNW, although certainly Portland OR, greater Vancouver BC, and Seattle all have strong communities. Have met many of them at Life is Good, as Jon Gold pointed out. It's a beautiful part of the country with beaches, mountains, cities, farmland all in easy access.

We've enjoyed friendships with the San Diego tribe - most of them seem to be from the North SD County area, and that group is hosting its first conference next September (Good Vibrations) plus I've met many of them at Life is Good and at Live and Learn (where probably you did too). San Diego is very kid- and family-friendly.

I've heard positive things about Gainesville GA though I've not been there; seems like a good tribe there by all accounts (maybe someone from there can speak up, or if not perhaps you can scan through the membership and ring one of them up to ask a question if you feel comfortable doing so).

Boston MA - several folks there and as they've had a conference there recently, clearly there's a supportive community. Great town too, like the Portland area a nice mix of urban/rural/beaches/mountains, plus lots of history.

Albuquerque - also several folks there active in national unschooling activities, and also a nice town with a good mix of activities.

I like Asheville NC too but it's a little close to my in-laws ;-) The community there and in nearby eastern TN is clearly a first-rate group as we saw at Live and Learn.

I like Ithaca NY just fine - lived there for 6 years in fact - but I was a poor starving student who would have been fairly skeptical of the unschooling idea. Less snow than you're used to in Oswego.

Best of luck with everything - I know times are pretty crazy right now and imagine that there are tons of factors in your ultimate decision. And take heart, you never know where you might uncover like-minded people.

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